11:59:15	 From B Stephen Carpenter, II to Charlene Gross (Privately) : Hi, Charlene. I am logged in to both meetings (FC town hall and L Arch head public presentation.
11:59:57	 From Charlene Gross to wbk10 (Privately) : Ann is running late, so you may go before her if she’s not here yet. Is that oK?
12:00:19	 From B Stephen Carpenter, II to Charlene Gross (Privately) : I will try to follow along with both but will likely focus on the L Arch presentation if multi tasking becomes too much.
12:01:22	 From wbk10 to Charlene Gross (Privately) : Okay
12:02:02	 From MALLIKA BOSE : Hi - sorry - I will need to leave at 12:15 for the Larch head position presentation
12:10:20	 From Charlene Gross to MALLIKA BOSE (Privately) : Thanks for joining while you can
12:20:33	 From B Stephen Carpenter, II to Charlene Gross (Privately) : Sorry, Charlene. Gotta go. I thought I could mute one but can’t.
12:20:50	 From B Stephen Carpenter, II to Charlene Gross (Privately) : Important focus of the meeting.
12:22:55	 From Ann Clements : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UFrHKAKK1C0gOEuz6NNpPdY_-BKEapzx/view?usp=sharing
12:31:49	 From Vagner Mendonça-Whitehead (he/him) : It would be interesting to analyze how all of this interplays amongst faculty
12:34:34	 From Aaron Knochel : Totally agree
12:36:43	 From Aaron Knochel : I also wonder what is the ongoing evaluation of what anonymity means in todays culture. I understand that power differentials suggest that anonymity protect students, but what are the emerging understanding of anonymity online as a corollary help to understand about submitting reviews.
12:40:17	 From Dan Armstrong : It would be interesting to see a study of the relationship between grading rigor and SRTE scores.
12:43:00	 From Denise Costanzo : I have also thought it curious that overall, our “teaching faculty” seem to get the least teaching assessment, leaving them deprived of formative job development and most subject to SRTEs as the only metric of performance. It also deprives our students of assurance of a quality learning experience. This investment should not be limited to tenure-line faculty, or even tied to the promotion process.
12:45:26	 From Aaron Knochel : Does anyone know what research says about requiring students’ responses? So for example students must submit reviews in order to have grades released. I honestly don’t know what the research says about requiring feedback in SRTEs.
12:45:27	 From Charlene Gross to Jeanmarie Higgins (Privately) : Would you speak to Dan Armstrong’s chat comment?
12:46:29	 From Ann Clements : Well said Denise!
12:46:44	 From Aaron Knochel : @Denise, I hope you are seeing some movement on this in your unit as FC has been working this for two years
12:47:06	 From Heather Mccune Bruhn : Art History IS doing assessment of all faculty right now, at least for the last few years
12:47:40	 From Denise Costanzo : I’m now in Year 6 of tenure track, so my experience is a few years old.
12:47:42	 From Heather Mccune Bruhn : peer assessment
12:47:56	 From Charlene Gross : @Aaron we are. Slowly but there’s movement
12:48:32	 From Vagner Mendonça-Whitehead (he/him) : To reframe, has anyone looked at peer bias (in peer evaluations/observations/assessment?)
12:49:06	 From Heather Mccune Bruhn : rotating who assesses who could be one way of avoiding bias...
12:49:18	 From Aaron Knochel : @Charlene, SoVA as well
12:50:11	 From dew2@psu.edu : I am not aware of any attempts at Penn State to study peer bias. Welcome to the College, by the way Vagner.
12:50:28	 From Vagner Mendonça-Whitehead (he/him) : :-)
12:50:35	 From Heather Mccune Bruhn to Charlene Gross (Privately) : I'm sorry, I need to leave early
12:50:40	 From Marcus Shaffer : I wonder how important SRTEs really are? On one hand, many of my colleagues have said they refuse to read them. On the other hand, does a P&T committee or an administrator derail someone on tenure track if their SRTEs are poor, but peer evaluations are positive and research & service are productive. It seems like SRTEs can be side-stepped on a case-by-case basis?
12:53:02	 From Charlene Gross : The response I heard was “we need some way to assess teaching” in the annual and PnT reviews.
12:53:11	 From Vagner Mendonça-Whitehead (he/him) : Including reflection dialogues or moments throughout the semester could be a good way to get feedback from students on their learning experience, in place of SRTEs
12:53:45	 From dew2@psu.edu : My impression is that there is a tendency to overvalue numerical data because it creates the illusion of objectivity. I have been in P&T meetings where there are discussions about SRTEs taken to the second decimal place for a class of 15 students.
12:54:02	 From Felecia Ann Davis : @Charlene and Marcus Yes, it is unclear why the SRTE's are so emphasized.
12:54:36	 From Marcus Shaffer : Evaluating the product of a class - A work, C work, F work, might be a good way to understand the learning environment? That’s how our department goes through professional assessment…
12:55:33	 From wbk10 : We should focus on impact.
12:55:37	 From Felecia Ann Davis : Are we beyond eliminating SRTEs?
12:56:26	 From Vagner Mendonça-Whitehead (he/him) : It is the customer mentality that has infiltrated academia
12:57:00	 From Carlos Rosas : Very true Vagner
12:57:02	 From Melody Quah : I saw on the SRTE website FAQ that grades can’t be held back indefinitely…
12:57:22	 From Sarah H Watts to Charlene Gross (Privately) : We have 3 minutes left!  :)
12:57:38	 From Aaron Knochel : @Marcus, interesting take
12:57:53	 From Denise Costanzo : Zoom treats?
12:58:33	 From Marcus Shaffer : I just keep thinking about SRTE gender bias and Title IX. Seems so obvious that this is aa practice that needs to end.
12:59:14	 From Felecia Ann Davis : It would be great to explore the potential of evaluations without SRTE's.
12:59:31	 From wbk10 : I agree!
12:59:54	 From Vagner Mendonça-Whitehead (he/him) : We often fill out surveys when our experience went south, say, at Wayfair… comment sections on social media go south very quickly… we need to understand the cultural bias of the technology as well as the user's
13:00:21	 From wbk10 : True, Vagner!
13:00:33	 From Aaron Knochel to Charlene Gross (Privately) : Great work facilitating today!
13:00:51	 From Ann Clements : Thank you Faculty Council!
13:00:53	 From Marcus Shaffer : THANKS TO TIA & CPAD  for the emphasis on formative evluation
13:00:53	 From Denise Costanzo : Thanks!
13:00:55	 From Vagner Mendonça-Whitehead (he/him) : Thank you